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	<title>Comments on: AdWords Top Ad Placement Formula Is Set for a Facelift</title>
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		<title>By: The Adventures of PPC Hero - Heroic Feats of Pay Per Click Management : Google Top Ad Placement, What You Need to Know</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Adventures of PPC Hero - Heroic Feats of Pay Per Click Management : Google Top Ad Placement, What You Need to Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Two weeks ago, Google announced that they were set to change the ranking formula for top ad placement. Initially, I had mixed opinions on the subject and was unsure if the motives behind the change were for quality or for Google&#8217;s financial gain. Bloggers across the board wrote on the subject and had theory after theory of what was Google&#8217;s &#8220;true&#8221; intent. Instead of posting further hearsay, the team here at PPC Hero contacted our trusty Google reps to get to the bottom of this update! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Two weeks ago, Google announced that they were set to change the ranking formula for top ad placement. Initially, I had mixed opinions on the subject and was unsure if the motives behind the change were for quality or for Google&#8217;s financial gain. Bloggers across the board wrote on the subject and had theory after theory of what was Google&#8217;s &#8220;true&#8221; intent. Instead of posting further hearsay, the team here at PPC Hero contacted our trusty Google reps to get to the bottom of this update! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.ppchero.com/adwords-top-ad-placement-formula-is-set-for-a-facelift/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you're right and the algo shift isn't a significant burden.  I'd like to stay optimistic about the news, but I can't stop thinking how the new algo might kill the affiliate market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re right and the algo shift isn&#8217;t a significant burden.  I&#8217;d like to stay optimistic about the news, but I can&#8217;t stop thinking how the new algo might kill the affiliate market.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedict Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benedict Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey All,

This looks to me as another way for Google to maximise revenues by upping everyones bid prices. The minimum bid requirement ensured that all cheap traffic was a thing of the past, this max bid requirement will only increase the entire auction cost for everyone.

Google have created a score which they define that you must hit in terms of Max CPC to obtain top spots. If you do not hit their defined Max CPC you do not get top spot. You therefore have to up bid prices to the level defined so you can hit top spot. So I ask..

"What stops Google from taking brand related search terms for a company, which invariably are very cheap (Max CPC $0.10 for top spot) and deciding the advertiser must pay $0.25 if they wish to remain above the natural results?"

This is a Max CPC increase of 150%, if the top 2 positions both raise their max CPCs both parties costs will surely increase by 150% through the original pricing algorithm.

To me this is another way of milking everyone for more money. If everyone is told they cannot get top spots as they do not pay enough, everyone will up bids according to Google's rule. If we are all forced to up bid prices to obtain our desired position the auction increases and we all pay more money to Google. The old bid calculation doesn't need to change if everyone is upping their max bids, its simple we will all pay more money to Google.

This makes me not a very happy AdWords user!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey All,</p>
<p>This looks to me as another way for Google to maximise revenues by upping everyones bid prices. The minimum bid requirement ensured that all cheap traffic was a thing of the past, this max bid requirement will only increase the entire auction cost for everyone.</p>
<p>Google have created a score which they define that you must hit in terms of Max CPC to obtain top spots. If you do not hit their defined Max CPC you do not get top spot. You therefore have to up bid prices to the level defined so you can hit top spot. So I ask..</p>
<p>&#8220;What stops Google from taking brand related search terms for a company, which invariably are very cheap (Max CPC $0.10 for top spot) and deciding the advertiser must pay $0.25 if they wish to remain above the natural results?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a Max CPC increase of 150%, if the top 2 positions both raise their max CPCs both parties costs will surely increase by 150% through the original pricing algorithm.</p>
<p>To me this is another way of milking everyone for more money. If everyone is told they cannot get top spots as they do not pay enough, everyone will up bids according to Google&#8217;s rule. If we are all forced to up bid prices to obtain our desired position the auction increases and we all pay more money to Google. The old bid calculation doesn&#8217;t need to change if everyone is upping their max bids, its simple we will all pay more money to Google.</p>
<p>This makes me not a very happy AdWords user!</p>
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		<title>By: Hein van der Honing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hein van der Honing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

I don't think the new feature is explained the way it's meant to be. Your rank in adwords will be calculated by the max cpc you,ve set, but your payment still comes from the bidding system. Therefore you don't automatically pay the max cpc for each click. I say automatically, because it eventually will result in higher cpc's most probably. So in my view your bid will be used to calculate ad quality and thus placement. It doesn't mean you have to pay the lot.
And, ofcourse it only accounts for the top-placement ads, not the ads on the side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the new feature is explained the way it&#8217;s meant to be. Your rank in adwords will be calculated by the max cpc you,ve set, but your payment still comes from the bidding system. Therefore you don&#8217;t automatically pay the max cpc for each click. I say automatically, because it eventually will result in higher cpc&#8217;s most probably. So in my view your bid will be used to calculate ad quality and thus placement. It doesn&#8217;t mean you have to pay the lot.<br />
And, ofcourse it only accounts for the top-placement ads, not the ads on the side.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John I think we're in for a bit of a roller coaster once this change hits the fan. I really don't think they have a good handle on quality yet and it hurt their bottom line over the past 6 months or so. I think it's purely a financial decision to factor max cpc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John I think we&#8217;re in for a bit of a roller coaster once this change hits the fan. I really don&#8217;t think they have a good handle on quality yet and it hurt their bottom line over the past 6 months or so. I think it&#8217;s purely a financial decision to factor max cpc.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Schaber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Schaber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John,
I'll be curious to see how that shakes out. I was surprised to see them shift more emphasis to max CPC. Hopefully, your gut is correct and it's more of a basic algorithmic shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John,<br />
I&#8217;ll be curious to see how that shakes out. I was surprised to see them shift more emphasis to max CPC. Hopefully, your gut is correct and it&#8217;s more of a basic algorithmic shift.</p>
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