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		<title>By: Rob McCance</title>
		<link>http://www.ppchero.com/discovering-keywords-on-the-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-70573</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob McCance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:

I like the strategy, thank you for sharing.

For the last few years, I&#039;ve used thousands of KWs and a combination of broad match and phrase match. It&#039;s largely been successful.

Never tried negatives.

Recently, I started wondering why I use so many KWs and was planning to run an experiment where I just used ONE keyword and broad match. I would then write my Ad to be the main filter. Still no negatives.

All quite interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:</p>
<p>I like the strategy, thank you for sharing.</p>
<p>For the last few years, I&#8217;ve used thousands of KWs and a combination of broad match and phrase match. It&#8217;s largely been successful.</p>
<p>Never tried negatives.</p>
<p>Recently, I started wondering why I use so many KWs and was planning to run an experiment where I just used ONE keyword and broad match. I would then write my Ad to be the main filter. Still no negatives.</p>
<p>All quite interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: SEOnPPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEOnPPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, thanks for bringing me up to date, looks like I need to go fishing for some new negative keywords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks for bringing me up to date, looks like I need to go fishing for some new negative keywords.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Demers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Demers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan,

Nice tip; definitely a good way to proactively identify negatives against the broad keywords.

Thanks!

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dan,</p>
<p>Nice tip; definitely a good way to proactively identify negatives against the broad keywords.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am using &quot;extensive embedded match&quot;, ha I made that term up... but seriously,

I choose 1 or 2 broad &quot;medium volume&quot; relevant keywords...

using the G kwtool, I add all the non relevant keywords associated with these two kws as negative broad.

rinse and repeat... take all those non relevant terms, plug them back into the G kwtool and add more.

in the end you have maybe hundreds of negatives and only 2 or 3 broad kws.  

Life becomes simple, I mean I have only 3 eggs to take care of ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am using &#8220;extensive embedded match&#8221;, ha I made that term up&#8230; but seriously,</p>
<p>I choose 1 or 2 broad &#8220;medium volume&#8221; relevant keywords&#8230;</p>
<p>using the G kwtool, I add all the non relevant keywords associated with these two kws as negative broad.</p>
<p>rinse and repeat&#8230; take all those non relevant terms, plug them back into the G kwtool and add more.</p>
<p>in the end you have maybe hundreds of negatives and only 2 or 3 broad kws.  </p>
<p>Life becomes simple, I mean I have only 3 eggs to take care of <img src='http://www.ppchero.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Demers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Demers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi SEOnPPC,

Actually that&#039;s definitely not the case. Broad match has become really aggressive and in fact Google might match your ad against something that doesn&#039;t contain any of the terms in your keyword. PPC Proz had a good post that exemplifies some problematic examples here: http://blog.ppcproz.com/2009/01/adwords-broad-keywords-bloopers.html.

Phrase match would require the use of all three terms, but broad match definitely does not.

Thanks!

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi SEOnPPC,</p>
<p>Actually that&#8217;s definitely not the case. Broad match has become really aggressive and in fact Google might match your ad against something that doesn&#8217;t contain any of the terms in your keyword. PPC Proz had a good post that exemplifies some problematic examples here: <a href="http://blog.ppcproz.com/2009/01/adwords-broad-keywords-bloopers.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.ppcproz.com/2009/01/adwords-broad-keywords-bloopers.html</a>.</p>
<p>Phrase match would require the use of all three terms, but broad match definitely does not.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: SEOnPPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEOnPPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very helpful information, excellent post.  One nit to pick, though.  If you&#039;re using broad match for the keyword phrase:

cheap used banjos

I don&#039;t think your ad would show if someone typed in 

online banjo store

Now if you&#039;ve just got the word &quot;banjo&quot; on broad match, it would show then, but if you&#039;ve got a three word keyword phrase, don&#039;t all three words in the keyword phrase have to be in the search query for an ad to show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful information, excellent post.  One nit to pick, though.  If you&#8217;re using broad match for the keyword phrase:</p>
<p>cheap used banjos</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think your ad would show if someone typed in </p>
<p>online banjo store</p>
<p>Now if you&#8217;ve just got the word &#8220;banjo&#8221; on broad match, it would show then, but if you&#8217;ve got a three word keyword phrase, don&#8217;t all three words in the keyword phrase have to be in the search query for an ad to show?</p>
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		<title>By: AtlantaRealEstate</title>
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		<dc:creator>AtlantaRealEstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

No problemo. Thanks for the clarification.

RM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>No problemo. Thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>RM</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Demers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Demers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RM

Yep embedded match certainly isn&#039;t new. I pointed to Brad&#039;s article because I thought it was a nice, succinct definition. Apologies if I conveyed it as &quot;new&quot;, but embedded match still functions the same way.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RM</p>
<p>Yep embedded match certainly isn&#8217;t new. I pointed to Brad&#8217;s article because I thought it was a nice, succinct definition. Apologies if I conveyed it as &#8220;new&#8221;, but embedded match still functions the same way.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Demers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Demers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TERRIBLE guest poster that I am I actually just stumbled on these comments. Hopefully you all subscribed to followup!

@ Leslie - Lowering bids shouldn&#039;t, in theory, hurt QS. You will likely get lower position and quite possibly a lower click-through rate, but Google says they normalize for position, which means that having a 1 percent click through rate in position 7 might be the same as having a 3 percent click-through rate in first position. More on that here: http://adwords.blogspot.com/2008/10/improvements-to-ads-quality.html

@Vittorio Thanks! We&#039;ll be &quot;launching&quot; a blog soon, hope you check it out!

@ Zak - Haha yep, should have been proprietary asset, good catch. Yep tracking keywords into the &quot;back of the loop&quot; is definitely crucial for actual profits.

Sorry I didn&#039;t respond to thes, you know: when I made the post! Thanks!

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TERRIBLE guest poster that I am I actually just stumbled on these comments. Hopefully you all subscribed to followup!</p>
<p>@ Leslie &#8211; Lowering bids shouldn&#8217;t, in theory, hurt QS. You will likely get lower position and quite possibly a lower click-through rate, but Google says they normalize for position, which means that having a 1 percent click through rate in position 7 might be the same as having a 3 percent click-through rate in first position. More on that here: <a href="http://adwords.blogspot.com/2008/10/improvements-to-ads-quality.html" rel="nofollow">http://adwords.blogspot.com/2008/10/improvements-to-ads-quality.html</a></p>
<p>@Vittorio Thanks! We&#8217;ll be &#8220;launching&#8221; a blog soon, hope you check it out!</p>
<p>@ Zak &#8211; Haha yep, should have been proprietary asset, good catch. Yep tracking keywords into the &#8220;back of the loop&#8221; is definitely crucial for actual profits.</p>
<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t respond to thes, you know: when I made the post! Thanks!</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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