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		<title>By: Toronto CPR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toronto CPR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have issues with the QS. Many times the algorithm thinks that your page or ad isnt relevant when indeed it is. 

Also it takes away some creativity in the text ads. If I want to create an ad that has to do with the keyword being entered and my landing page but doesnt actually have the keywords in the ad itself then I get slapped with a low quality score. 

If billboard advertising were run the same way the ads would be simply boring. Imagine if disney world had to put the words &quot;visit disney world&quot; in their billboard ads instead of just a picture of a little girl with the words &quot;make her dreams come true&quot;. The ad would suck. 

This is what google is doing with its adwords quality score. If the text ad doesnt have the exact same words as the keywords entered in the search bar then you get a low quality score. For some annoying reason the algorithm cant tell the similarity between the keywords &quot;Ab exercises&quot; entered into the search bar and the words &quot;Ab workouts&quot; in the ad text. I had to deal with this when I ran an ad for a workout product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have issues with the QS. Many times the algorithm thinks that your page or ad isnt relevant when indeed it is. </p>
<p>Also it takes away some creativity in the text ads. If I want to create an ad that has to do with the keyword being entered and my landing page but doesnt actually have the keywords in the ad itself then I get slapped with a low quality score. </p>
<p>If billboard advertising were run the same way the ads would be simply boring. Imagine if disney world had to put the words &#8220;visit disney world&#8221; in their billboard ads instead of just a picture of a little girl with the words &#8220;make her dreams come true&#8221;. The ad would suck. </p>
<p>This is what google is doing with its adwords quality score. If the text ad doesnt have the exact same words as the keywords entered in the search bar then you get a low quality score. For some annoying reason the algorithm cant tell the similarity between the keywords &#8220;Ab exercises&#8221; entered into the search bar and the words &#8220;Ab workouts&#8221; in the ad text. I had to deal with this when I ran an ad for a workout product.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Adwords Learning Part-3 : Smart PPC Solutions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Adwords Learning Part-3 : Smart PPC Solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Google Shadow</title>
		<link>http://www.ppchero.com/google-quality-score-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-29047</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion PPC campaigns are for the more experienced internet marketer. It can be a very intimidating process and the learning curve tends to be quite long.

My experience has been that PPC advertising - and Google Adwords especially - can be quite costly and less than profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion PPC campaigns are for the more experienced internet marketer. It can be a very intimidating process and the learning curve tends to be quite long.</p>
<p>My experience has been that PPC advertising &#8211; and Google Adwords especially &#8211; can be quite costly and less than profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your premise that people focus too much on being obsessed with the score as opposed to doing the right things that also happen to improve your quality score over time.  There are times when quality score is a force to be reckoned with... starting new campaigns. Starting a brand new campaign in a saturated market (and of course no history of a good quality score) really hurts the cost per click and your overall ROI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your premise that people focus too much on being obsessed with the score as opposed to doing the right things that also happen to improve your quality score over time.  There are times when quality score is a force to be reckoned with&#8230; starting new campaigns. Starting a brand new campaign in a saturated market (and of course no history of a good quality score) really hurts the cost per click and your overall ROI.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalin Dudley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalin Dudley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get stuff Shawn, I think that you hit the nail on the head in regards to quality score however I feel that most people tend to feel that Google is an enemy and not an ally.  My feeling is that while most people complain that Google uses Quality Score to jack up the CPC pricing, I feel that they are forcing their advertisers to be as relevant as possible so everyone wins.  If Google&#039;s Paid Ads can provide accurate listings, while the Organic ads still have some irrelevant results more people will start to use the paid ads simply because it gives them what they are looking for.  And if the advertiser can write ad copy that is specific to the keyword, then land the visitor on a page that is specific to the keyword, the user will have a better experience and less frustration in making a purchase.  Without being forced to do this, many advertisers wouldn&#039;t go through the trouble of lining up the keyword, ad copy and landing pages which would result in less relevant results for users, poor experience and everyone loses.  One thing I would like to highlight on the &quot;thing stats to monitor&quot; is that you cannot forget an e-commerce site should actually have four stats:  conversion rate, sales, sales value and ROAS.  If you optimize an e-commerce site with a range of products for the cost per conversion, you could be hurting the account.  For example, you want a cost per conversion of $40 and you start the process of optimization however there are higher end products that may half a cost per conversion of $80 but each sale is $500.  You would run the risk on losing that return if you focus on the cost per conversion and not the sales variables.  Good Stuff overall Shawn, keep it coming....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get stuff Shawn, I think that you hit the nail on the head in regards to quality score however I feel that most people tend to feel that Google is an enemy and not an ally.  My feeling is that while most people complain that Google uses Quality Score to jack up the CPC pricing, I feel that they are forcing their advertisers to be as relevant as possible so everyone wins.  If Google&#8217;s Paid Ads can provide accurate listings, while the Organic ads still have some irrelevant results more people will start to use the paid ads simply because it gives them what they are looking for.  And if the advertiser can write ad copy that is specific to the keyword, then land the visitor on a page that is specific to the keyword, the user will have a better experience and less frustration in making a purchase.  Without being forced to do this, many advertisers wouldn&#8217;t go through the trouble of lining up the keyword, ad copy and landing pages which would result in less relevant results for users, poor experience and everyone loses.  One thing I would like to highlight on the &#8220;thing stats to monitor&#8221; is that you cannot forget an e-commerce site should actually have four stats:  conversion rate, sales, sales value and ROAS.  If you optimize an e-commerce site with a range of products for the cost per conversion, you could be hurting the account.  For example, you want a cost per conversion of $40 and you start the process of optimization however there are higher end products that may half a cost per conversion of $80 but each sale is $500.  You would run the risk on losing that return if you focus on the cost per conversion and not the sales variables.  Good Stuff overall Shawn, keep it coming&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being obsessed with quality scores is silly, but so is calling it a &quot;meaningless number&quot;. QS is usually a good measure of how well keywords are conforming to the Adwords guidelines and whether there are opportunities for improvement. If I have an ad group doing well but with poor quality score for the keywords, I would take the suggestions from Google&#039;s Keyword Analysis tool to improve the QS and make the ROI even better.

QS should not be seen as the bottom line, but rather just one of the tools to achieve the end result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being obsessed with quality scores is silly, but so is calling it a &#8220;meaningless number&#8221;. QS is usually a good measure of how well keywords are conforming to the Adwords guidelines and whether there are opportunities for improvement. If I have an ad group doing well but with poor quality score for the keywords, I would take the suggestions from Google&#8217;s Keyword Analysis tool to improve the QS and make the ROI even better.</p>
<p>QS should not be seen as the bottom line, but rather just one of the tools to achieve the end result.</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like with many facts, everyone has their own &quot;truth.&quot; As a former agency PPC analyst and freelancer, I&#039;ve had to suffer through clients and account owners who didn&#039;t even have conversion tracking installed, who only wanted to see the Quality Score go up because they&#039;d suddenly found that column in their Google interface and were ashamed of their &quot;score&quot; like they got an F on their report card or something. I&#039;ve also heard sales pitches that dwell on Quality Score to such an extent, you&#039;d think it was more important than oxygen. Obsessing over ANY single factor in a paid ad account is unhealthy for the account and probably for the &quot;obssessor&quot; as well!

But Craig also makes a good observation, that the general vagueness of information, including Google&#039;s own explanations in the past, has contributed to misunderstanding of how it works and what it&#039;s capable of... now that light is more easily shed on the subject, some people behave as if they&#039;ve found the fountain of youth or something... 

Quality Score has one core function - to make non-relevant advertisers with more money than ethics PAY MORE to take over an ad space where they don&#039;t really belong. QS is not a perfect solution to that problem, but that&#039;s why it was invented. Relevant advertisers in a sector shouldn&#039;t have issues unless they&#039;re using the same keyword-stuffing, hype-ad writing, automatic landing page-generation techniques that &quot;the enemy&quot; uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like with many facts, everyone has their own &#8220;truth.&#8221; As a former agency PPC analyst and freelancer, I&#8217;ve had to suffer through clients and account owners who didn&#8217;t even have conversion tracking installed, who only wanted to see the Quality Score go up because they&#8217;d suddenly found that column in their Google interface and were ashamed of their &#8220;score&#8221; like they got an F on their report card or something. I&#8217;ve also heard sales pitches that dwell on Quality Score to such an extent, you&#8217;d think it was more important than oxygen. Obsessing over ANY single factor in a paid ad account is unhealthy for the account and probably for the &#8220;obssessor&#8221; as well!</p>
<p>But Craig also makes a good observation, that the general vagueness of information, including Google&#8217;s own explanations in the past, has contributed to misunderstanding of how it works and what it&#8217;s capable of&#8230; now that light is more easily shed on the subject, some people behave as if they&#8217;ve found the fountain of youth or something&#8230; </p>
<p>Quality Score has one core function &#8211; to make non-relevant advertisers with more money than ethics PAY MORE to take over an ad space where they don&#8217;t really belong. QS is not a perfect solution to that problem, but that&#8217;s why it was invented. Relevant advertisers in a sector shouldn&#8217;t have issues unless they&#8217;re using the same keyword-stuffing, hype-ad writing, automatic landing page-generation techniques that &#8220;the enemy&#8221; uses.</p>
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		<title>By: PPC Manchester</title>
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		<dc:creator>PPC Manchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  Conversions are the bottom line no question.

One thing I would add - sometimes the PPC Account manager has little / no sway over the website which they are marketing in terms of how good it is and the scope to improve it.  I have seen many PPC campaigns struggle due to poor web design / usability.  To that end, all you can do is make the PPC campaign as good as possible.  

That said I think if possible the person running the campaign should offer usability advice and ways that the conversion process could be improved.  Not a full usability report, just anything that is obviously impairing conversions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  Conversions are the bottom line no question.</p>
<p>One thing I would add &#8211; sometimes the PPC Account manager has little / no sway over the website which they are marketing in terms of how good it is and the scope to improve it.  I have seen many PPC campaigns struggle due to poor web design / usability.  To that end, all you can do is make the PPC campaign as good as possible.  </p>
<p>That said I think if possible the person running the campaign should offer usability advice and ways that the conversion process could be improved.  Not a full usability report, just anything that is obviously impairing conversions.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Danuloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Danuloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand the sentiment - the symbol sometimes comes to get more import than the thing it really stands for - I have to disagree with the premise. As you correctly point out, it measures a bunch of stuff you should do anyway - that doesn&#039;t make it bad. 

I don&#039;t think Quality Score is over-hyped so much as mis-understood, and to an even larger degree ignored. I would not believe that even 20% of all paid search advertisers ever look at it. And imperfect as it is, it&#039;s one of the few clues we get out the algorithm as to how it thinks we&#039;re doing - which goes directly to the final metrics you correctly point out, like conversion.

I wish it were more clear and exacting (what is a 7 vs an 8 anyway?) But I think people should spend more time trying to figure it out, and what to do about it. I&#039;ve written a lot about Quality Score, including attempts at both explanations and the &#039;what to do part&#039; that you can find here. http://bit.ly/xHNC

We agree that people can/should improve their accounts. And that Quality Score is imperfect. But I think it is a piece of the puzzle. And we don&#039;t have enough pieces to throw any away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand the sentiment &#8211; the symbol sometimes comes to get more import than the thing it really stands for &#8211; I have to disagree with the premise. As you correctly point out, it measures a bunch of stuff you should do anyway &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t make it bad. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Quality Score is over-hyped so much as mis-understood, and to an even larger degree ignored. I would not believe that even 20% of all paid search advertisers ever look at it. And imperfect as it is, it&#8217;s one of the few clues we get out the algorithm as to how it thinks we&#8217;re doing &#8211; which goes directly to the final metrics you correctly point out, like conversion.</p>
<p>I wish it were more clear and exacting (what is a 7 vs an 8 anyway?) But I think people should spend more time trying to figure it out, and what to do about it. I&#8217;ve written a lot about Quality Score, including attempts at both explanations and the &#8216;what to do part&#8217; that you can find here. <a href="http://bit.ly/xHNC" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/xHNC</a></p>
<p>We agree that people can/should improve their accounts. And that Quality Score is imperfect. But I think it is a piece of the puzzle. And we don&#8217;t have enough pieces to throw any away.</p>
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